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Meet the Baker: Joël Defives

Joël Defives, chef boulanger (head baker) at la Boulangerie Thierry Marx in Paris 8,  has sure come a long way since his early days. Orphaned at 5, he knew by age 7 that he wanted to become a baker. His reasons? The baker was the richest person in the village and he was determined to raise out of poverty. Also, being a baker would mean working nights and mostly by himself. That suited him just fine: he was a shy boy, wary of social interaction.

His life took a turn for the better when he started his apprenticeship. His maître d’apprentissage (apprenticeship supervisor) was terrific, the first to talk to him as one would a normal person. Thriving under his supervision, the youngster learned to trust himself. After two years, in 1982, he got his CAP de boulanger (certificate of professional ability). Then he joined l’Union des Compagnons du Tour de France des Devoirs Unis (Union Compagnonnique). (In the early days compagnonnage was typically limited to the building professions. It opened to bakers in 1811.)

L’Union became his family. To this day he proudly wears attached to both ears tiny gold rondelles (not sure what the exact translation would be, maybe “washers”?) which, unlike regular earrings, cannot be removed. Their circularity symbolize the freedom of movement that has traditionally be granted to compagnons since the Middle Ages. They also symbolize belonging and commitment. 

Les joints du compagnonCompagnons help each other every step of the way throughout their lives. “Les Compagnons, c’est ma famille. On te tend la main. Le travail en lui-même, c’est une valeur. Travail, honnêteté, fraternité, partage, entraide entre gens de métier.” (Companions are my family. A helping hand always at the ready. Work itself as a value, honesty, brotherhood, sharing, mutual assistance between craftsmen.) It is no accident that Boulangerie Thierry Marx is run by two compagnons (more on Thierry Marx in this interview – in French.)

Brioches

As a compagnon, Joël travelled all over France, meeting bakers who helped steer him towards the right career path. He soon earned two more certificates of professional ability: pastry (1984), cuisine (1991), then in rapid succession, three brevets de maîtrise (master’s qualifications):  Boulangerie (1992) , Pâtisserie (1994) and Charcutier-Traiteur (butcher/caterer) (1997).

When he passed his brevet de maîtrise boulangerie, the president of the jury asked him to come work for him. He accepted. The president’s son was training for the  Meilleur Ouvrier de France (MOF) competition. At the time Joël didn’t even imagine that such a title might one day be within his reach. But working alongside the young baker every day, he slowly realized that there was no magic involved and that the only requirement was the will to work hard. The president’s son became MOF in 1994. Joël started dreaming.

For a shy young introvert, putting himself in the running meant taking risks, overcoming his shyness, working on his verbal skills, and learning to interact with others, especially with other MOFs. Joël started participating in other competitions: he was a finalist at Coupe du Monde de la Boulangerie (World Cup) in 2002, won second place at Championnat de France and first place at Championnat d’Europe (European bread championship) in 2003.  And he worked, worked, worked.

In 2004 he won the title of Meilleur Ouvrier de France. It changed his life. Wherever he goes, he now gets the red carpet treatment, especially in Asia, and this, despite the language barrier (he doesn’t speak English), to the point that he must make a conscious effort to keep a level head.

pink praline brioches

And he has become a people’s person. A self-described saltimbanque de la profession (itinerant baker,) he works with people every minute of every day, traveling the world as an instructor for l’Institut National de la Boulangerie-Pâtisserie (INBP) and as a consultant.

He has worked all over indeed: continental France, La Réunion, Japan, Colombia, the USA, Germany, Spain, etc.) and he knows with absolute certainty that way back when he was a little boy, he made the right career choice: “Mon métier, c’est ma vie. Et j’ai envie d’apporter à mon métier ce qu’il m’a apporté, cette joie, ce bonheur. C’est aussi grâce à ce métier que j’élève ma famille, d’où beaucoup de satisfaction de ce côté-là aussi.” (My job is my life. And I want to give back to it what it brought to me: joy and happiness. It also made it possible for me to raise a family and given me a lot of satisfaction in that respect as well.”

The profession has evolved tremendously – for the better- since he was young. In the old days bakers worked nights. Everything was baked before 10 AM.  Things started to change in the 80’s. Today bakers can have a family life and even some spare time for hobbies. They mix one day, shape and bake the next. The bread tastes better, it is more digestible and the baker’s quality of life has improved.

Bread consumption is going down in France however and the profession has reached a new milestone. To survive, bakers need to emphasize la petite restauration (snacks, sandwiches).

Sandwiches au jambon

Sandwiches

And in a testament to the creativity and savoir-faire of both Joël Defives and Thierry Marx,  Boulangerie Thierry Marx offers something I have never seen in a bakery before: bread makis.

Bread makis

A tray of bread makis garnished with gambas

Makis come with different garnishes (gambas, BLT, salmon, grilled cheese, etc.) and are assembled right in front of the customers.

Maki sheets waiting

Maki lab

Maki dough is regular pâte à pain de mie (sandwich bread dough) leavened with commercial yeast. It ferments quickly (about an hour) and bakes for 90 minutes in big metal pans.

Moules à maki

Then the bread is sliced and left to dry out for a day or two.  At assembly time, the slices are toasted on one side on a teppan (Japanese iron plate.)

Maki bread toasting

…before being garnished and rolled on a traditional makisu.

Rolling makis

Since I visited the bakery in late morning and was expected for lunch in another part of Paris shortly afterwards, I didn’t get to sample any of the makis. But going back to check them out is definitely on my agenda for the next trip.

Tourte de meule samples

Downstairs in the lab (roomy by Paris standard, squeaky clean and beautifully organized) dough was being rolled out for brioche feuilletée cappuccino.

Rolling out brioche feuilletée

Brioche feuilletée cappuccino

Brioche feuilletée cappuccino

Brioche feuilletée cappuccino - the crumb

Brioche feuilletée cappuccino – the crumb

Brioche feuilletée aux pralines roses

Brioche feuilletée aux pralines roses

The bakery -which opened in May 2016 – only makes naturally leavened bread. It uses a firm wheat starter for the larger pieces and a liquid starter for everything else, baguettes included. To keep acetic acids in check, Joël uses water at 40°C/104° F when he refreshes his firm levain. Then he sticks the levain back in the fridge at 4-6°C/39-43°F. He has found that this combination of temperatures (the warmth of the water and the cold of the fridge) creates the optimal environment for the balance of flavors he is looking for.

Stiff levain

The stiff levain is fed T-110 stoneground wheat flour.

Liquid levain

Liquid levain

The bakery offers seven different breads out of six different doughs. “Une gamme courte permet de faire des pains top.” (Limiting the offer makes it possible to offer high-quality products.) Everything is baked on the premises.

Les pains

(Sorry about the quality of the pictures. I only had my phone with me and lighting wasn’t ideal. The only reason I got decent pictures of the brioches feuilletées is because I bought a couple to take home. I would have loved to load up on bread but I had a busy day ahead of me and schlepping loaves all over Paris didn’t sound like a good idea.) The baguette looked very tempting though. As expected, it is the bakery’s best-seller (baguettes account for 70% of all bread sales in France.)

Baguettes

Another best-seller is la tourte de meule (miche made with T-110 stone-ground wheat flour).

Tourte de meule

Tourte de meule – sliced

All flours are organic and come from Moulins de Brasseuil, less than 200 km/125 miles away. Incidentally the bakery sources most of its ingredients from farmers who practice sustainable agriculture less than 200 km away.

Are French bakers interested in milling their own grains and sourcing them directly from the farmers? Joël shakes his head. Historically the relationship between millers and bakers in France has always been an uneasy one. But millers represent very powerful economic interests and most bakers find it very much to their advantage to work closely with a miller. Contrary to what might be the case in the US, millers offer a wide variety of grains and flours so that bakers have no incentive to start milling for themselves.

Brioche feuilletée aux pralines roses

“Si j’ai un conseil à donner aux jeunes, c’est de prendre plaisir à leur travail. Le métier de boulanger prend énormément de temps sur la famille et les loisirs mais il offre de grandes récompenses ensuite.” (My advice for young bakers is to enjoy their work. The profession requires a huge time investment -time you won’t have for family or leisure- but it brings huge rewards down the road.)

“Les jeunes, c’est l’avenir de la profession. Il faut employer les bons mots, être là au bon moment pour eux.  Si un jeune me dit, “c’est grâce à vous que j’ai démarré dans la profession”, c’est sûr que ça va me toucher droit au coeur.” (The young are the future of our profession. We need to find the right words and be there for them at the right time. If a young baker tells me: “I have you to thank for choosing this profession,” that will go straight to my heart for sure.

Years ago somebody clearly found the right words for the young Joël Defives.

Quotation

Bread is the first ingredient in French cuisine. (As posted on a wall in the bakery)

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March 20, 2017 · Filed Under: Artisans · 2 Comments

Brown Irish Soda Bread

I didn’t make the bread you see above. I just fell in love with it. On our very first morning in Ireland last June.

We were staying at Kenmur House, a very pleasant bed & breakfast in Kilkenny, County Kilkenny, halfway between Dublin where we had landed and the West coast where we were headed. The b&b owners, John and Peggy Kennedy, couldn’t have been more welcoming. They  had offered us tea and cookies when we arrived before giving us a map of their city and pointing out the best walking itineraries and places to eat. [Read more…]

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February 17, 2017 · Filed Under: Breads, Ireland, Milling, Quickbreads, Travel · 2 Comments

Meet the Baker: Sandeep Gyawali

Sandeep Gyawali

I first met Sandeep Gyawali of Miche Bread in Austin at last year’s Grain Gathering when we sat next to each other the first night at dinner. But of course I already knew of him through his beautiful Instagram feed (@michebreadaustin) and I was eager to meet him. We talked bread (what else?) and I asked whether he would be willing to do a Meet the Baker interview next time the Man and I were in Austin (which happens fairly often since we have family there).

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February 12, 2017 · Filed Under: Artisans · 8 Comments

Josey Baker’s Seed Feast Loaf

A reader who lives on the other Coast, too far away from the Mill to come and taste the bread for herself, wondered in a comment if Josey Baker would kindly share a formula. So I asked and it turned out that he would. Not only that but he sounded delighted to do so: “This was the very first bread I made with anything other than flour, water, and salt. I grabbed some seeds from the store and tossed them in my dough, doing everything else the same, and voila—Seed Feast was born! This is still one of my favorite breads that I make, and I’ve heard the same from a lot of happy customers. I’ve never seen this seed combo in any other bread, and for this I feel very proud. It is a true Josey Baker Bread original.”

Thanks for sharing, Josey!

Makes two loaves.

* Water should be hot for soaker, cool for levain and lukewarm for final dough.

Method:

(described in Josey’s own words)

1. Levain (sourdough pre-ferment):

Use starter that is sour smelling in a good way, most likely between 12 and 24 hours old. Make your pre-ferment 8 to 12 hours before you want to start mixing your dough—likely in the evening before you go to bed or in the morning. You want it to be the consistency of thick pancake batter. Put this stuff in a big bowl and cover the bowl tightly so that the water can’t evaporate.

2. Soaker:

Spread your sunflower and pumpkin seeds out on a sheet pan and bake them in 350F oven for 10-15 minutes, just till they start to smoke. Put them in a small bowl. Add hot water. Because seeds soak up a lot of water, you’ve gotta let them soak for a while before adding them to your dough.

3. Final dough:

KNEADING

  • Uncover the pre-ferment bowl, and take a big whiff. It should be putting off a pretty strong smell, nice and yummy, maybe a touch sour. If it doesn’t, no biggie; it’ll still make awesome bread;
  • Add the final dough ingredients (remembering to use warm water) including all of the levain and all of the soaker, mix everything together so that it’s evenly combined, just for 30 seconds to a minute;
  • Cover with a plate or plastic wrap, and let it sit for 30 minutes to an hour, whatever is convenient.

STRETCH & FOLD

  • Dip your hand in a bowl of water, then reach down into the side of the dough bowl, grab a little bit of it, and pull it up and push it down on top of the dough. Rotate the bowl a little bit and do it again to another portion of the dough. Give the dough about 10 stretches and folds;
  • Cover the dough, and let it sit for 1/2 hour;
  • After 1/2 hour, stretch and fold the dough another 10 times;
  • Cover the dough, and leave it alone for another 1/2 hour or so;
  • Do this another 2 times, at 15- to 30-minute intervals.

BULK RISE

Choose your own adventure for the bulk rise:

  • If you want to shape your loaf in 3 to 4 hours, let the dough sit out somewhere in your kitchen;
  • If you want to shape your loaf anywhere from 12 to 48 hours later, stick it in the fridge (or just outside if it’s cool out—about 45°F/7°F).

SHAPING

After the dough has completed its bulk rise:

  • Flour your counter and dump out the dough;
  • Pre-shape your loaf into a round, then let it rest for 10 to 15 minutes;
  • Shape it into a loaf and leave it on your counter, seam side down, while you line the proofing basket with a floured cloth;
  • Plop it into the prepared basket, seam side up.

FINAL RISE

Again choose your own path for the final rise:

  • If you want to bake bread in 3 to 4 hours, let the loaf sit out somewhere in your kitchen;
  • If you want to bake bread anywhere from 6 to 24 hours later, stick the loaf in the fridge (or just outside if it’s cool out—about 45°F/7°C).

PRE-HEATING

Once your loaf has risen, put your baking stone and pot or Dutch oven on the middle rack of your oven and preheat at 475°F/240°C/gas 9 for 45 minutes. If you put the dough in the fridge, take it out while the oven is preheating so that it can warm up to room temperature before you bake it.

BAKING

  • Sprinkle the loaf with cornmeal (or cover with parchment paper), and invert it onto a plate or pizza peel; (Or carefully plop your loaf into your preheated Dutch oven;)
  • Slash the top with a razor, get it into the oven, and cover it with a pot or bowl (or the Dutch oven lid);
  • Bake for 20 minutes, uncover, and bake for another 25 minutes;
  • Check the bread and see how it’s looking. If it’s not dark brown, give it another 7 minutes.

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February 6, 2017 · Filed Under: Breads, Breads made with starter, Recipes · 4 Comments

Meet the Baker: Josey Baker

Josey Baker

Josey Baker (yes, his real name) is the type of guy that if you have known him for five minutes, you feel you have known him all your life. In fact you don’t even have to have met him in person to know him. Long before I did, I read his book, Josey Baker Bread: Get Baking – Make Awesome Bread – Share the Loaves, and I felt I could have recognized him anywhere from his voice alone. And it wasn’t even an audiobook!

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February 3, 2017 · Filed Under: Artisans · 5 Comments

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